Noise during agitation, tub wobble - after new parts

I have a Maytag Performa PAV2200 that I replaced the transmission in. Afterward, it was making noise during agitation and excessively wobbling during spin. It eventually stopped spinning altogether (brake froze?).

I was advised to replace the brake rotor, stator, the snubber, and springs.

I did this and it runs, but the noise is still there and the drum still wobbles. I’m wondering what went wrong here? During the install, I followed the instructions in the service manual.

Links to vids showing the noise and wobble:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/31079135@N07/3663475173/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/31079135@N07/3664275394/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/31079135@N07/3663474573/

Please help, the laundry is piling up! Not sure where to go from here.

Any advice on this? Not sure where to go from here.

Hi MPHCO

I am not sure where to go either. It looks like you have done all of the obvious replacements that a tech would recommend for your problem. So I think you have to look for some less obvious solutions.

The most obvious of the less obvious is that the transmission was not replaced correctlly or that you got the wrong one or that the brakes are still hanging up.

Look at this service manual and see if it applies.

http://www.servicematters.com/maytag_library/docs/TDL-0017B-B.pdf

Also, it may be that despite your new springs, one of them is bad.

I know this sounds like going over old ground, but you have not left a whole lot of new ground to go over.

Good luck, let us know what you find out.

Thanks for the reply. It’s a bit of a mystery. Granted, I’m not experienced in this stuff, but am pretty good at turning a wrench.

I replaced the transmission with the kit referenced in the instructions you attached, and followed those instructions. though it seemed not everything was exactly the same as pictured. I believe it was just due to slight model variations.

Here’s a thought. If the domed part at the top of the transmission (tub support cover) were a little bent, would that do it? It seems to have gotten a little damaged when I took off the old transmission/seal. But, everything seals up good and that part doesn’t come in contact with the rotating tub.

Is there a way to tell by looking if one of the springs is bad?

Posted this before, but it got lost…

I do still have the old springs if necessary. It never had a wobble problem before taking it apart.

I tried turning the drunm by hand (belt on, power off) and it is really hard to turn. Also, after one medium load of wash, it now will not spin on it’s own when turned on. So, running it has now maybe made the brake stick on?

Possibly the thrust bearing and brake release and/or engagement? I’ll be pulling it apart again tomorrow. At least that’s not a mystery any longer. I wonder if the brake dragging could contribute to the wobble? When in spin cycle, how quickly does the drum come to a stop if adjusted correctly?

Thanks for any help. I don’t really want to spend any more money on it, but I’m already in deep! There must be a way to fix this thing.

OK. So I haven’t completley disassembled yet, but have taken the front off. Here are my observations:

  • Trying to turn the drum from the top in either direction is really tough. Is it supposed to be easy in the opposite direction of spin?
  • From the bottom, turning the pulley CCW (looking up) the drum and entire transmission spin. If I hold the pulley the drum will coast to the end of travel of the thrust washer. So it appears that when the pulley turns the thrust washer/bearing assemble CCW it releases the brake.
  • From the bottom, turning the pulley CW, engages the transmission to turn the agitator back and forth. So, for the agitator to work, the motor reverses direction?
  • It appears the pump bearing is shot, and that was what locked everthing up this time.
  • springs appear to have good tension. But, that doesn’t really mean anything.

From this, it seems the thrust bearing is adjusted correctly. What do you think?

When I reassembled previously, I used corn starch on the base per the instructions. I assume the purpose is as a dry lubricant, but could that make it too slick causing more wobble?

At the very least it seems I need a new pump, but I don’t want to get it if I can’t solve the other issues.

Mike

OK. Found something else.

While looking at how the drum spins I noticed some scraping between the top of the drum and the facia that goes on top. I took off the agitator and… I had forgotten to tighten the four bolts that hold the drum to the spindle. I promise I wasn’t drinking.

So, I put it back together after tightening hoping that was the problem. It seemed to help when no clothes in the drum, but it still wobbles when clothes are in it (even dry ones).

Now I looked underneath checking on the snubber/stator/base interface. Not sure how it is supposed to be, but it seems there is some slight movement possible between the stator and the snubber and I notice plastic shavings already. Thought I had tighten those stator bolts really well.

Next up is pulling the drum to look more closely at that snubber/stator area. Also, I blew into the water level hose to allow the agitation cycle and at least empty with no load, that screeching noise is no longer there.

So, I looked at the interface between the snubber and stator. I tightened the bolts as much as possible, they were aleady tight. I don’t think this is the issue, so I’m not inclined right now to remove the brake assembly right now as it seems to be working OK.

The question is: if the pump is bad, could that add enough unevenness into the pulley system to cause wobble that can’t be compensated for by the spring suspension?

Either way the pump is bad, so since I’m apparently building a new washer (doh!), I went ahead and ordered it. Should be able to pick it up tomorrow.

Wow

Again, I admire your perserverance and I really appreciate the detail that you are giving. It is very helpful for me and I am sure for the large number of others who are viewing these postings.

I think there is a good chance the pump will solve your problem, it does sound like your brakes are engaging and releasing as they should.

The shavings from the snubber are worrisome, but since they are new lets see if the pump fixes the uneven spin, which should stop the snubbers from wearing.

Good luck, keep posting. At the end of this you will know this machine quite well!

Ha!

Well, I definitely am getting well schooled in this model of Maytag!

Thanks for your support.

So, it sounds like you agree the brake assembly and thrust bearing is ok? I still have the old snubber and it doesn’t look very worn. :confused: Is there something obvious or not so obvious about the snubber and its interface to the base or stator I may have missed?

What about the corn starch thing? Does it serve a real purpose?

Replacing the snubber ring is pretty routine, the difficult part is getting to it and the cost of the special tools. If you had not replaced it I would have said that was your likely problem. Now you just need to check that it is on correctly and not off center. Even though you saw shavings I am hoping it is still ok since it is new.

The corn starch is pretty important, it is a dry lubricant (the snubber gets oily and you have problems) and in fact that is what is put on at the factory.

Let’s just hope the pump gets things going correctly.

I’m pretty sure the snubber is installed correctly. Here’s a few pics:

Looks good, lets see what the pump does for you

When in the rinse and or rinse cycle the tub continues to turn but mahes a bad noise and seems to catch the adgitator when grinds and trys to stop it.